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Obama's Iraq Speech

Wed Sep 1, 2010 10:39 AM EDT
iraq, economy, politics, speech, analysis, obama
By Chris in VA
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Let's take a look at some of the highlights from last night's speech, shall we?

Here's a link to the full text of the speech.

Good evening. Tonight, I'd like to talk to you about the end of our combat mission in Iraq, the ongoing security challenges we face, and the need to rebuild our nation here at home.

Originally, I thought that this was supposed to be a speech about the end of the Iraq War. So, I would ding him on this, but hey, I could have misinterpreted this. So, let's give him a pass on this opening.

I know this historic moment...But this milestone should serve...

Consistency...can we get a little consistency here? Is it a historic moment or just a milestone?

...that the future is ours to shape if we move forward with confidence and commitment.

Absolutely, not feeling inspired. "If we move forward"; aren't you (Obama) supposed to provide that inspiration? (Never mind that would mean he would have to take responsibility. Moving on.)

It should also serve as a message to the world that the United States of America intends to sustain and strengthen our leadership in this young century.

How? I hope you plan on explaining this statement, because I am not seeing it yet. (We'll come back to this.)

A war to disarm a state became a fight against an insurgency. Terrorism and sectarian warfare threatened to tear Iraq apart. Thousands of Americans gave their lives; tens of thousands have been wounded.

True, definitely true.

Our relations abroad were strained.

Hold up. I thought you fixed that with that whole Cairo speech thing. Oh, you mean over the course of the war...ok, why didn't you just say so?

We have now been through nearly a decade of war.

These are the rough waters encountered during the course of one of America's longest wars.

I thought this was an overseas contingency operation; or was it a man-made incident? (What was that other term they came up with?) Never mind, slight tangent here...moving on.

the end of our combat mission in Iraq,

President Bush announced the beginning of military operations in Iraq.

I am announcing that the American combat mission in Iraq has ended.

Maybe, McChrystal was right. You are disengaged. Is it a war? Or is it something else? (I guess overseas contingency operation doesn't poll well anymore.)

This was my pledge to the American people as a candidate for this office.

It wouldn't be an Obama speech without him patting himself on the back. Whew! Glad we got out the way!

This completes a transition to Iraqi responsibility for their own security.

Fire your speechwriter. This sentence doesn't even make sense as written.

A caretaker administration is in place as Iraqis form a government based on the results of that election.

So, they don't have a real government, but we're pulling back anyway? Don't know if that's a good thing.

Tonight, I encourage Iraq's leaders to move forward with a sense of urgency to form an inclusive government

Duh!!!

...and spent vast resources abroad at a time of tight budgets at home.

Must stop laughing...

Through this remarkable chapter in the history of the United States and Iraq, we have met our responsibility. Now, it is time to turn the page.

Alright, let's move into the economy portion of the speech.

As we do, I am mindful that the Iraq War has been a contentious issue at home. Here, too, it is time to turn the page.

OK!! Turn the page already!!

It's well known that he and I disagreed about the war from its outset. Yet no one could doubt President Bush's support for our troops, or his love of country and commitment to our security.

WTH happened to that turning the page thing? Someone wake me when he's turned the page?

*Snoring soundly*

Wake up Chris. Obama finally turned the page.

*Huh? What?*

Finally, where was I? Yes, moving into the economy portion of the speech.

...our nation's strength and influence abroad must be firmly anchored in our prosperity at home. And the bedrock of that prosperity must be a growing middle class.

Which you are going to tax into oblivion with HCR (or is it HIR? Can you pick one?) alone.

We have spent over a trillion dollars at war, often financed by borrowing from overseas.

Hold up. Wait a minute. You're dinging Bush AGAIN!! Meanwhile, you have implemented back-to-back multi-trillion dollar budgets financed by the Chinese, and you're dinging Bush!! Nah!! NO SOUP FOR YOU!

...we must tackle those challenges at home with as much energy, and grit, and sense of common purpose as our men and women in uniform who have served abroad.

I thought you were doing that already with the stimulus thing. So, 19 months on the job and now you want to tackle the economy? What about the Summer of Recovery Tour? I thought the economy was improving. I thought we had turned the page (or was it a corner?) on the economy. NOW we have to tackle the economy?!

the dream that a better life awaits anyone who is willing to work for it and reach for it.

While we give health insurance to everyone whether or not they have a job, and with one in six Americans now on the government dole thanks to your expansion of government programs.

we must give all our children the education they deserve

By doing the same thing Bush did? Race To The Top?? Politicians fixing the education system...I don't think so.

We must jumpstart industries that create jobs

I thought you had been creating jobs. Wasn't the stimulus supposed to have created 3 million or so jobs? But we need to jumpstart industries--why?

and end our dependence on foreign oil.

Wait till those conspiracy theorists get a hold of this line.

We must unleash the innovation that allows new products to roll off our assembly lines, and nurture the ideas that spring from our entrepreneurs.

Wasn't that what HCR or HIR, whatever the heck it was, supposed to do? Oh, I forgot. It doesn't kick in until 2014. Moving on.

it must be our central mission as a people, and my central responsibility as President.

I thought that was what you were doing. So, if it's your central responsibility now; what have you been doing then?

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Chris in VA

Within Afghanistan, I have ordered the deployment of additional troops who-under the command of General David Petraeus -are fighting to break the Taliban's momentum. As with the surge in Iraq,

Can we say "surge?" You know that Bush idea Senator Obama thought was a mistake.

  • 6 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 10:41 AM EDT
King Dave

There are two ways to help people:

Doctors help cure the sick.

The military kills dangerous people.

Same results.

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 11:14 AM EDT
Chris in VA

Doctors help heal the sick.

The military kills dangerous people.

OK. Both are true statements. Maybe I am just missing the point you are trying to make.

  • 4 votes
#2.1 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 11:17 AM EDT
King Dave

That war can have a positive effect on humanity and the over all survival for the many. That complicity and passivity can result in more deaths than military intervention. We have to make the Germany comparison. I don't think my liberal and conservative friends, see this relationship and principal. I'm happy if it's just a though in the back of everyone here's head.

I love Iraq, Iran, Middle East, Afghanistan discussion and overall learning about World conflict, in order to help prevent it.

I enjoyed the read, thanks Chris!

  • 2 votes
#2.2 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 3:04 PM EDT
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Ronin-2

Thanks for the breakdown Chris- and voted up. Much better than listenning to the speach last night. I admit I was a bad American and skipped the teleprompter recital.

The only excuse I have is that I did not get home from work until 7pm- and by the time I finished working out it was already 8. The thought of eating dinner while listening was to much.

  • 5 votes
Reply#3 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 11:35 AM EDT
Chris in VA

Appreciate it.

I admit I was a bad American and skipped the teleprompter recital.

So was I. It's less painful to read the text.

The only excuse I have is that I did not get home from work until 7pm- and by the time I finished working out it was already 8.

I was at my son's football practice until 8.

The thought of eating dinner while listening was to much.

Preaching to the choir...

  • 4 votes
#3.1 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 11:40 AM EDT
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TheyreAllCrooks

I wish Obama had said last night that he called President Bush and told him he was bringing his clusterf*ck in Iraq to and end AND that he had contacted The Hague and was extraditing him on war crime charges!

Whether the "surge" worked or not is irrellevant. We should never have been in Iraq in the first place.

There were no WMD and Bush knew that. There was no connection to Al Quaeda and Bush knew that. There was no threat of mushroom clouds over American cities - Bush knew that too!

This was was perpretrated by Neo-Cons who have always wanted to build a democracy in the meddle east...and along came an idiot like Bush that they could control.

Before Bush took ooffice all we heard was this talk of "nation building".

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzalez, Perle, Wolfowitz, Powell, - they should all be in prison for the needless death over nearly 5000 US soldiers, thousands more maimed for life, families destroyed - not to mention the tens of thousands of Iraqis who we killed or caused to be killed.

This war accomplisehed one thing. It spread hatred towards America to every part of the globe and for that we can thank Bush.

  • 2 votes
Reply#4 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 11:42 AM EDT
Chris in VA

Now that you feel better...(Am assuming that you needed to rant)

This was was perpretrated by Neo-Cons who have always wanted to build a democracy in the meddle east...

So, are you saying that democracy is a bad thing?

Before Bush took ooffice all we heard was this talk of "nation building".

So, that would mean Clinton wanted to build up those nations. So, shouldn't he be on that list of war criminals since you are saying he wanted to interfere in the Middle East?

  • 3 votes
#4.1 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 11:47 AM EDT
TheyreAllCrooks


So, are you saying that democracy is a bad thing?

Don't be silly. You & I both know that if Dubya went before the Congress and said he was invading Iraq to create a democracy he would've been laughed out of the room - that's why they kept making up lie after lie.

There's no way in hell he could have ever sold "building a ddemocracy" to the people. But as soon as they left the White House that is exactly what Cheney claimed they did! Go figure!

Clinton didn't invade and occupy anybody - what the hell are you talking about?

  • 1 vote
#4.2 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 12:04 PM EDT
Chris in VA

Don't be silly. You & I both know that if Dubya went before the Congress and said he was invading Iraq to create a democracy he would've been laughed out of the room

Absolutely. But I had to ask based on your statement about Neocons and building a democracy.

Clinton didn't invade and occupy anybody - what the hell are you talking about?

Well, you made the following statement:

Before Bush took ooffice all we heard was this talk of "nation building".

So, it seemed to me that you attributed the start of the whole intervention into the Middle East discussion to a point prior to Bush coming into office. I assumed you were talking about Clinton.

Did you mean something else by that statement?

  • 3 votes
#4.3 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 12:17 PM EDT
Menander

Let's take a journey down memory lane.
We had a congo-line of Dems. calling for the removal of Saddam when Clinton was in office because they said he had WMD's.
We had the leftwing bobbleheads on TV saying they KNEW Saddam had WMD's because...wait for it...WE sold them to him!
We had not one but two times Bush publically stating that there were no ties between Iraq to 9-11 attackers.
The biggest problem the Dems. have about the whole war in Iraq is they were for it before they were against it. And every bit of that flip-flopping and using our soldiers as pawns was strictly for political posturing.

  • 3 votes
#4.4 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 12:21 PM EDT
TheyreAllCrooks

The point is Clinton was smart enough to se through the crap. Bush fell for it hook line and sinker!

3 years AFTER we invaded Iraq Bush was still claiming there was a relationship between Sadaam and Al Quaeda...and yes we DID sell weapons to Iraq - which is exactly why we did NOT need to invade because he was not a threat to us.

Even to this day The Dick Cheney still claims that.

>>>
President Bush yesterday defended his assertions that there was a relationship between Saddam Hussein's Iraq and Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda, putting him at odds with this week's finding of the bipartisan Sept. 11 commission.

"The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda: because there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda," Bush said after a Cabinet meeting.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50679-2004Jun17.html

  • 1 vote
#4.5 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 12:32 PM EDT
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DEVIL1

He looked very Presidential sitting there with his hands nicely folded.I didn't want to screw the thing up by putting sound on.

  • 6 votes
Reply#5 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 11:46 AM EDT
Chris in VA

ROTFLOL!! Can I borrow that?

  • 6 votes
#5.1 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 11:47 AM EDT
DEVIL1

Anything I can do to help,be my guest.

  • 3 votes
#5.2 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 12:05 PM EDT
Ronin-2

Devil1

Maybe I should have tried that- then I could claim I was a responsible American and watched the recital. Instead of reading it from the link that Chris provided this morning.

  • 3 votes
#5.3 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 12:50 PM EDT
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Menander

the dream that a better life awaits anyone who is willing to work for it and reach for it.

Barry needs to come off the permanent vacation and take a real good look around. From construction workers to law students to scientists the jobs aren't out there!

  • 2 votes
Reply#6 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 12:02 PM EDT
Chris in VA

There you go with that whole reality thing again...LOL!

  • 4 votes
#6.1 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 12:18 PM EDT
Menander

And another thank you, Chris for the text version because I've had all I can stand listening to that carnival barker blowing smoke up everyone's ass.

  • 2 votes
#6.2 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 12:31 PM EDT
Chris in VA

You're welcome. It is easier to read the speech.

to that carnival barker blowing smoke up everyone's ass.

So, I guess that means you had the sound on then last night. (See post 5.)

  • 3 votes
#6.3 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 12:34 PM EDT
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tyler-1708225

I dare Obama to contact The Hague and say he is extraditing Bush on war crimes charges. They would laugh in his face and BO would be washed up in America, if he isn't already.

  • 3 votes
Reply#7 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 12:22 PM EDT
UnAmericanLiberal

Ah yes the wingnuts hate everything Obama does. Wingnuts are really scrambling for how they can spin this as some liberal socialist america hating speech. Enjoy patting each other on the backs for your moronic rambling attempts to attack a good speech. That must be no different ahn watching Sean Hannazi tell you how you should think every night. Brainwashed morons. I'm sorry you're such partisans you can't even just let one speech go by without politicizing it and trying to use it as the basis for yet another unfounded right-wing attack. We get it, you'll never like anything Obama does. Now @!$%# off.

  • 3 votes
Reply#8 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 1:00 PM EDT
Chris in VA

Wingnuts are really scrambling for how they can spin this as some liberal socialist america hating speech.

Please enlighten me. Exactly, where did I "spin" this into

some liberal socialist america hating speech

Because you know I am just a

Brainwashed morons.

Let's continue--but don't forget to speak slowly being the "brainwashed moron" and all.

I'm sorry you're such partisans you can't even just let one speech go by without politicizing it and trying to use it as the basis for yet another unfounded right-wing attack.

As the "brainwashed moron" who needs "Sean Hannazi" to tell me how to "think every night", I missed how I politicized this because I was too busy "patting" myself "on the back for" my "moronic attempt" to "attack a good speech."

Personally, one might consider this a personal attack worthy of being deleted. I think it is a weak attempt to deflect from the topic as described in the article with incessant name calling.

Feel free to try again.

  • 5 votes
#8.1 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 1:18 PM EDT
UnAmericanLiberal

Let me re-phrase. The only way conservatives would have liked this speech is if Obama spent the entire time praising Bush.

    #8.2 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 3:15 PM EDT
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    lifeisgood43

    Pres Obama should have bash Bush. I understand why he didn't do it. But still, Iraq is in no better shape that when Saddam was running Iraq. Bush not only killed many innocent mothers, fathers and babies of Iraq people, he sent out mothers, fathers and kids to kill more and to be kill and all based on a freaking chest of lies and made up trump charges.

    Bush also used a fake "God" to go Iraq. Bush still will not take any blame for one of the worst decisions in America's history

      Reply#9 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 1:39 PM EDT
      Chris in VA

      Pres Obama should have bash Bush. I understand why he didn't do it.

      OK. I see a connection with the speech.

      But still, Iraq is in no better shape that when Saddam was running Iraq.

      So, that would be the need to continue to work with Iraq. OK.

      Bush not only killed many innocent mothers, fathers and babies of Iraq people, he sent out mothers, fathers and kids to kill more and to be kill and all based on a freaking chest of lies and made up trump charges.

      Bush also used a fake "God" to go Iraq. Bush still will not take any blame for one of the worst decisions in America's history

      Can you please tell me what this has to do with the speech?

      • 6 votes
      #9.1 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 1:46 PM EDT
      Ronin-2

      lifeisgood43

      If Obama sends GWB to Nuremburg for trial- what do you think the chances that many of the commanding officers, officers, and maybe even quite a few of the regs in the military will be put on trial with him?

      Remember the Nuremburg Nazi trials? "Following orders is no excuse"

      So, unless you really believe that Bush falsified information to start a criminal war- the same information from the CIA that was going to Congress; and that Clinton was using to bomb Iraq and increase sanctions on them on a routine basis- then you must believe that the men and women of the US Armed services were culpable in the criminal act. Not to mention several members of Congress. Repenting support later does not remove liability from them.

      Bush deserves credit for the surge working- along with the generals that came up with and put it into action, as well as the troops that risked their lives to carry it out.

      • 2 votes
      #9.2 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 4:14 PM EDT
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      DBE928

      Great post. I thought Judith Miller in the Daily Caller had a good perspective on it too.

      The speech had a dutiful quality to it. Now that we were leaving Iraq, we could turn to his essential war — the nearly ten-year battle in Afghanistan. Because of our “draw down in Iraq,” he said, America now had the resources to “go on offense” against Al Qaeda in Afghanistan.

      But Al Qaeda has long left Afghanistan for safe havens in Pakistan and elsewhere. There was no mention of the Taliban, whose forces have reasserted themselves in areas where they had been defeated, and asserted themselves in areas where they had never been strong.

      Mr. Obama’s “surge’ is under attack not only by many military analysts who doubt his effort to copy President Bush’s Iraqi strategy in Afghanistan and/or the 18 month deadline he has imposed for a draw down of American forces to begin, but also by many in his own party.

      Indeed, the president had a wistful, almost beleaguered tone as he shifted from grim to grimmer. From a discussion of Iraq and Afghanistan he segued to the American economy, whose restoration he declared in an awkward transition, was America’s most crucial battle ground. Noting that we had spent a trillion dollars on the (implicitly) unnecessary wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, he deplored the fact that for a “decade” — not on his watch, to be sure — America had postponed the tough policy decisions needed to shore up the economy that financed its wars abroad.

      He reiterated a list of vague but vital economic tasks ahead — restoring lost jobs, retraining American workers, educating our youth, and conserving energy, which no administration has managed to do, including his.

      With his popularity ratings at dangerous, all-time lows less than two years into his term, who can blame Mr. Obama for appearing overwhelmed? The problems confronting America are daunting indeed. And he now owns them.

      Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/09/01/an-overwhelmed-president-delivers-a-dutiful-speech/#ixzz0yIjQSBJk

      • 1 vote
      Reply#10 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 4:04 PM EDT
      Sebbydad

      Iraq was a waste of time, lives and material that did nothing to combat terrorism - the stated purpose of the war. The war in Afghanistan was the war with purpose, to get those who attacked us. Something we have failed to do, partially because of the missapplication of resources to Iraq.

      The President showed exceptional retraint and character in not stating that the war, while valiantly fought, was a mistake of leadership. The touted surge should not have been necessary especially since Mr. Bush declared Mission Accomplished years before. Had he actually listened to his Military leaders and provided what they asked for, the surge would not have been needed. The surge was needed to clean up his mess. Giving Bush compliments on the surge is akin to complimenting the mopping skills of someone who kicked over a bucket full of crap.

      • 3 votes
      Reply#11 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 9:57 PM EDT
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